Shit everybody cares about Predestination and free will

[DOLL(1)]

Do you believe in predestination? For those wondering, predestination is the belief that God knows every choice you will make. This belief has been popular throughout history and the subject of many philosophical debates in Christianity and other religions. It calls into question the concept of free will, and if God knows if you are going to go to Heaven or not before you are even born.

 

[DoingYourMom]

seems like god is a bigot
I don't think any reasonable person believes or can believe in predestination, these types of belief only bring out the worst in people

 

[Notta]

It's the same answer for most things about the afterlife: there's no way to know. If people are predestined or if they aren't would not make any difference to anybody. (Plus, just from a first glance it seems like it's in conflict with the idea that everyone can be saved).

 

[jimbo]

Regarding double predestination, if there is predestination, then there is no free will. This concept of predestination assumes all events have been willed by God, if that is the case then free will is naught and God is unjust. The idea of single predestination is more sensible in this case.

 

[baqqrih]

My position is not an argument for "either side," but my thought on the matter at this point is that we'll simply never be able to understand something of such an intangibly-deep nature for as long as our consciousnesses are entrapped within our flesh. To contain this thought in a rhyming mantra, "God's ways are not for our dead-ended skulls, but for our ascended souls." Saint Paul ascended to the Third Heaven during his life, and these ways of The Lord even boggled him once he returned to mortality.
>Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways! - Epistle to the Romans, Chapter 11, Verse 33
So, in my view, I don't understand the purpose of pursuing this knowledge that only belongs to God when such an understanding isn't necessary for a Christian life in the mortal plane.

 

[DOLL(1)]

My position is not an argument for "either side," but my thought on the matter at this point is that we'll simply never be able to understand something of such an intangibly-deep nature for as long as our consciousnesses are entrapped within our flesh. To contain this thought in a rhyming mantra, "God's ways are not for our dead-ended skulls, but for our ascended souls." Saint Paul ascended to the Third Heaven during his life, and these ways of The Lord even boggled him once he returned to mortality.
>Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways! - Epistle to the Romans, Chapter 11, Verse 33
So, in my view, I don't understand the purpose of pursuing this knowledge that only belongs to God when such an understanding isn't necessary for a Christian life in the mortal plane.

You have put my thoughts to words.

 

[PumpkinEater69]

My position is not an argument for "either side," but my thought on the matter at this point is that we'll simply never be able to understand something of such an intangibly-deep nature for as long as our consciousnesses are entrapped within our flesh. To contain this thought in a rhyming mantra, "God's ways are not for our dead-ended skulls, but for our ascended souls." Saint Paul ascended to the Third Heaven during his life, and these ways of The Lord even boggled him once he returned to mortality.
>Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways! - Epistle to the Romans, Chapter 11, Verse 33
So, in my view, I don't understand the purpose of pursuing this knowledge that only belongs to God when such an understanding isn't necessary for a Christian life in the mortal plane.

Very well said!